First Target of the Month 4726-3692 (Feb 5-12 2012)

Hello fellas!

I'm giving you the first target of the month. However, unlike the previous sessions up to date, the ones we are doing now will not give you any clue as to what it is. You won't know where this target is, or when or how. You can't google it. There will no no information at all given to you until the end of the week when everyone puts in their data. This means that everything now is just your pure RV skill. All I am leaving you with here is a set of numbers. You have to ask yourself what these numbers mean and see where your psychic ability leads you.

Also, since reading another member's session might affect your own, please don't read past my post until you've completed your own session. Then, post what you have here. If you have another challenge you want to give us as another Challenge of the Month, tell me about it so we can put it in the right format.

Post here in the greatest detail what you feel the target is. Describe it as best as you can in as many ways as you can, leave nothing out. At the end of the week at Sunday I'll show you just how close you were, and put up another challenge.

Let these numbers be your guide: 4726 / 3692

Happy hunting.

a statue of ww2 US soldier/s made of cooper but it's all covered in cooper oxide so it looked green.
it looked like it's in some kind of a park

Well sorry for being late on this one...
I just didn't have some quiet time to give it a try.
Ok
so...
I got

textures : smooth
color : blue ; green
smell : something like a pepper(pepperly)
taste: metalic
temperature : room temperature
sounds : quiet ; seaguls
dimensions : Dense

By the time I got to seaguls I decided it's a sea so I gues the Dense impression is kind of driven by that.

In the end i wish to say that it's great idea to lable the post with the numbers in it...that way one can participate withouth going in the post and be tempted to chek what others are saying.

I got a small red hardcover book, quite old and faded, with faded gold writing on the cover and spine.

Brown, made out of wood

It's a big daoist temple in China. I forgot where. Keep going.

Also, does someone want to host a challenge as well? You guys are the ones having all the fun lol. I can't RV if I make the targets all the time lol.

Darn I was somewhat close. I actually got a white church with a cross on it.

i can do it can you message..me how 2 do it...like you did?

Oh well...I wasn't close even a bit.

better luck nex time

PS: lotus.....do you think that maybe the fact that you didn't print the picture and then over it write the numbers and "target" as said in the Learn RV videos...could made it hard to read?I mean what is your oppinion about that

I don't think it's a big deal Nikola. I am confident that it is not whether how much you "tag" your picture and so on as much as the ability to tap into the matrix, the universal storehouse of data. Everything is linked at a deeper level.

Well, to me it looks more like a guessing game. No offense guys, I understand that there are few people skilled at this and they may have achieve some nice results. But I don't see any reason in training or using such skill if there is such low accuracy... There may be some methods or techniques that may help you to develop such abilities, but the way you do it, in my opinion, is more like a guessing game.

I think it's similar when people try to develop ability to see auric field. I've tried it myself and yes, I was able to develop it to some small degree, like to see aura of etheric~ body 2-3 cm around body and it was quite good. But you can't progress with it any further, at least I couldn't. You couldn't use it to understand other person emotions or anything. You would have to train spiritualy to open so called 3rd eye(if we assume that ancient theory is right) to fully see and understand human auric field. So eye can see only small percent of reality and you can train it to see a bit more, but to see A LOT more you would need to have 3rd eye opened.

So I think it's the same with so called RV. There may be few people who had some innate abilities to do this and they can achieve some results(they are not so impresive to me), but when you don't have such innate abilities and don't know how to develop this ability then you are just playing guessing game. And even if you describe something correct, with such low accuracy and only few details that you can get it's useless ability to me. You can use it for fun with trying to guess few things, but if you can't get everytime correct answers, or at least 3/5 correct with much details, then I really don't see any point.

It's not like this section doesn't have any meaning or anything. It's pretty fun and enjoying to read, but I just thought I would share my opinion that you can't develop such skills using guessing game. However I've never read or study RV too much, so I may be wrong. Feel free to correct me if it is so.

BTW. I think there's greater ability when you awaken, with all-knowing presence or maybe also conscious access to Genetic Mind of Humanity that can be used like RV, but with total accuracy. So I would rather put my time on trying to understand myself to develop higher consciousness to play with such things in the future, rather then using RV. I think there's no way to develop it on our human level of consciousness, unless you play with light and human energy body to develop such ability. But in order to do that you need to know how and you can get such knowledge only from a teacher or if you awaken to Oneness. So trying to develop it by guessing is for me not worth of my time.

i agree and always said rv is 'supplementary' or 'fill in the gaps info'.i enjoyed and had good results using it on retreat but its just a fun diversion.to train up an army of rvers who got divide the world into blocks and spot how to get to places may be a bit unrealistic.
Be better if people keep there ear out for names of masters, eye out when actually travelling,knwing people,online research for our missing mopai knowledge.
Hmm Ive been curius about burma recently..

The sad thing about RV is that you have to check the object. Someone give you place, you can deliver some general description of the object and he may check it up. But if you would like, for example, to use RV to gain some informations about level 3 then there's no way to confirm it. Even if informations you get may seem interesting, it could be even dangerous to practice them without direct confirmation from some teacher. So basically RV is only useful if someone can check information you deliver and if that someone can do it, then there's no point in you doing it from the beginning, unless you try to confirm the fact that you may actually get your hands on knowledge without direct contact - which is also very interesting!

But still I am enjoying reading about your tests.
Peter I remember watching a video on youtube about Buddhism in Burma. If I remember correctly the whole country is very much into Buddhism and there are a lot of people practicing it. Especially one of the oldest tradition. But I wonder if there are any Taoist masters living there? Buddhism and Taoism have common goal, but if you want to continue Mo Pai training then Buddhism may not be much help to you.

Btw. I have a nice book "Teachings and Practices of the Early Quanzhen Taoist Masters".
Actually I've just found it on scribd, so I will post link here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/42446563/Stephen-Eskildsen-The-Teachings-and-Practices-of-the-Early-Quanzhen-Taoist-Masters
Interesting chapter(actually the whole book was awesome), for me at least, was "Cultivating Clariy and Purity".
Wang Zhe: "The reason why I established the Jade Flower and Golden LotusSocieties in the two prefectures was because I wanted all you gentlemen to recognize your Real Natures. If you do not understand the true source, but [rather only] study all the small methods of subsidiary schools (pangmen), these are all but methods for creating good fortune and nurturing the body—they have absolutely nothing to do with the way of cultivating immortality. [Furthermore,] in matters of Nature and Life, if you make the slightest mistake, you could go away from the human path (be reborn in a subhuman state). Gentlemen, if you truly want to cultivate yourselves, [just] eat when hungry and shut your eyes when sleepy. Do not sit in meditation and do not study the Tao. You simply need to eliminate all trivial things [from your mind]. Your mind simply needs to be clear and pure; anything aside from this is not cultivation!"
Ma Yu: "Now,as for the [cultivation of the] Tao, it simply [consists] of [the following]: [Maintain] clarity and purity (of mind), and [practice]non-action. Wander carefree according to your will. Stay undefiledand unattached. If you are able to thoroughly chew and savor these twelve characters, you will be a person of the Tao who has fathomed the depths. Just believe this old man’s (my) words. If you practice this, you shall certainly benefit. I am definitely not misleading you young people. The thirty-six daoyin exercises and the twenty-four recycled elixirs, these are but the gradual gateways for entering the Tao. Do not mistake them for the Great Tao itself. When you fathom the[principles of the] stove and furnace or take your forms from the turtleand snake, you are giving rise to affairs where there are no affairs, and adding falseness your [hidden Real] Nature. All this is extremely mis-leading! Therefore the alchemical scriptures and the books of the various philosophers, the thousand classics and ten thousand treatises can all be covered up with one phrase—“clear and pure.”"

It's very interesting book. I enjoyed reading it! What I wanted to say that in it you can also find informations from classics of powerful taoist masters that all three schools(buddhism, taoism and confucianism~) are, but one school, since they all lead to the same goal and if real nature is achieved there's no difference then. But what they also say is that true Tao is compassion, clariy and purity. Great Tao is to serve all sentient beings equally. Same things that Dharma Sanga has told in few teachings he gave.

So, I wonder if we need daoyin exercices to achieve real nature?

Well if everyone fell like that.Then maybe we should have another poll to decide to shut down the RV section or not.One way or another there are handful of the handful of people who are participating anyway.

Sebastian,

RV info is not meant to be a sole source of information. But it has been used as a supplementary source of information for US intelligence for a few decades already. They've used it to gain possible information on different sites and Soviet bases for many years, and even though they didn't use it as the main base of information, they've used it to gain "insight" into something that didn't know about. If you check out their old program they actually trained ordinary individuals with no background in psychic things into capable RV professionals. If you want I can show you some of the very old CIA documents from the start of the program, it is actually very interesting.

Remote viewing has been used by people to successfully find missing relatives, lost objects, it's not all just fluff, and there are many recorded cases where RV was used successfully to find solutions to problems with no answers. Not accurately 100%, but enough to know that "something is there". The point is, much like the CIA, when you have no source of information at all, like we do at the present moment, even the most unlikely way of gathering info has it's value, and even more if there is even a slim degree of accuracy like in RV. When you are that mother who has no way of finding her son, or someone who needs to find that something on which his whole life depends upon, everything to the last bit counts.

BTW I know you're here to train in Mo Pai, but everything that you put into your post seems to be contrary to the training. I mean, if you really adhere to the Quanzhen passage you quoted, then whats the point of doing Mo Pai? It said that doing inner alchemy was not the point and it said that meditation is a waste of time. If thats how you really feel, then are you sure you're in the right place? If none of these things are the point, then what is the point?

Nikola, from that logic alone, we could say, that since most people don't even bother to post in the forums, and only a handful or two even bother to talk here, that we should close down the whole forum.

@okuma
Noo, I think it's quite interesting section and it fits this forum, you know. After all training Mo Pai may enhance spiritual abilities, so it's good thing to talk about them here or 'play' with them.

@white lotus
Thanks for the info. I remember reading only 1 book or maybe few chapters about a person skilled with RV that has been taken by NASA or CIA(I don't remember) and he was told to try and check what he could find out. I belive that they gave him similar informations you do in this section(I mean these numbers) and he started to describing moon and same alien bases or something. And they were really shocked with his ability and told him to keep quiet about it. He did reveal it in book years later.

I heard about CIA training people to gain RV skills. There sure is some true in it, but I wonder... Maybe they were able to tell which person has potential to learn this ability using their methods. To be honest I am just not sure myself if everyone can develop this skill as you say using this common methods that can be found in books etc. I know there's a guy named Krzysztof Jackowski in Poland who has very powerful clairvoyant powers. To be exact, he has helped many, many times police to solve many cases in which people has gone missing etc. They would give him some photo or things that belonged to the missing person and he would put it to his vanguard and the vision often appears after some time. He has developed this skill when his was younger by watching through the window and guessing which direction would car go, left or right. But even if he learned it using such simple methods, you can't say everyone can learn it and that he surely had some potential to learn it before. His skill is really amazing(though he is not that good at predicting future events)! I remember that he has mentioned in one interview that it is easier for him to find a person who has been killed. In that case he can somehow link to the spirit of dead person and he gets a vision of how he/she died.

And you're quite right about your theory. You see, when I started to train level 1 meditation I wanted to develop some super-natural abilities. I used to think how would I show my friends this abilities, how I could help some people and become teacher like from Taoist stories. I was interested in this stuff when I was a kid, so I was also doing it as my personal research on things that were interesting to me.
However later, as my personality developed I decieded to aim for achieving Real Nature, because it became quite obvious to me when I looked at my personal motivation that achieving abilities were ego-inspired.

I haven't been training level 1 meditation, since I've found other practices in Lyricus materials(Living from the Heart, Spiritual Activism, Raising Heart and Quantum Pause mainly+more) and in Blueprint of Oneness that gave me fast and amazing results. At the beginning I thought I couldn't get any results using these. They just seemed to me not complicated or ancient enough to bring any changes in my life, but I achieved some amazing results and I was so much impressed that at the beginning I decieded to use it as an extra practice, since there weren't any conflicts with Mo Pai training. Later other practices became the subject of my main focus, because I understood that I could get to the Real Nature using them and eventually I stopped training level 1 meditation. The reason was that I understood that I won't be able to complete 72 levels in this life time training like this and without qualified teacher. I seek more Real Nature then any abilities.

Though I had a bit hard day yesterday, so my posts may had some of my yesterday's frustration in them sorry if they become a bit offensive I rather prefer to discuss things freely. I wouldn't like to fight about right or wrong. I think Mo Pai is also amazing practice, but I couldn't achieve much results through my 2,5 years practice(I was training quite a lot for first 2 years), so I think it's understable that I took another route. They work for you and for few others, so I understand you completly. I had to found what truly works with me and I am very happy with what I've found.

I wonder if it's ok for me to use this forum from time to time, if I am in-active Mo Pai? Let's make a poll

since i probably started rvin topic on forum,jist wanted to clarify:
There is definitely something there in info checking and filling gaps but obviously actually goin explorin like jim did is higher priority as well as other info gathering.
I can tell u from the retreat where i told jim when i came back how johns house looked and some things inside like how stairs look, windows, furniture,other features of his home...my pov is in a sense there is nothing to practise but trying to attain as deep possible trance.knwing this we dnt all have the luxury of retreat trance,thts all.u also cant 'miss'.
If u go on long retreat u understand.clarity of picture quality may vary thou.